A note on sexual dysphoria: in my case in the 60’s as a child I hated my father so much intensely that I inwardly turned against myself never wanting to be him or “it” as I thought of him. Looking back I had internalized it against myself as well which led to a life of varied sexual interests. I am one of those people who could or could have benefited an arranged marriage. I was wholly incapable of judging for what was in my own best interests!
One thing I miss as a side effect of these medications is the limit they have imposed on my imagination. A price I’ve paid for the sake of sanity. Otherwise I would have been dead a long time ago.
I suffered from dissociation disorder didn’t come out of it until age 50. That happened bc at 8 years old I witnessed my father beating the hell out of my mother. I retreated within and didn’t emerge until at 50 years old at my step mother’s dying of liver cancer on her hospital bed in Jacksonville Florida. She called it an immaturity disorder which was cruel of her.
I’m curious how Gab AI performs as it seems to be promoted as censorship-free, setting aside whatever one may think of the Christ-centered Gab efforts.
Apologies if you’ve already given it a test drive as I miss tons of posts these days.
“AI is a powerful tool, and when used correctly, it can be a game-changer. With Gab AI, we’re harnessing the power of AI to create a platform that is helpful, intuitive, and personalized. We’re building a tool to amplify and accelerate your God-given intelligence and creativity, not replace it. But we’re not just building a tool, we’re building a community. A community of like-minded individuals who share our values, who share our passion for freedom, and who share our commitment to truth.” Andrew Torba email 4/24/2024
This sentence may explain some results you are getting.
“Additionally, in recent years, [Wikipedia] has served as training data for artificial intelligence, which then incorporates Wikipedia’s biases into its outputs.”
I wonder: Have any studies been done on how romantic partners/spouses/other family members/close friends/etc. perceive those who GO on SSRIs? My experience has...not been positive. I am reminded of the 1956 film INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS.
Probably not, but many people do report that antidepressants stifle emotions and numb you out...thus they aren't actually getting to the root of anything and can result in a cardboard personality.
One last note it took the VA from 1991-to June 2012 to get my meds at last figured out. I hung in there till my “miracle” happened in the bottle of pills I received. And spiritual support from a friend or few in my life. I’m alive today bc they were there. I know longer have that spiritual support. The friend I had for 20 years who gave that to me. Finally dropped me as a friend. And this is GOOD NIGHT lol!
As I noted in my other comment, had you been born in an Eastern country you may have been treated with other holistic methods and not needed to wait 10+ years to get pills sorted out - though I'm glad they finally got something to work for you. The key here is choice and options. P.S. Spiritual support is important and I hope you can find new spiritual support, whether it's through a church, spiritual group, new friend, or online community.
True the indigenous peoples treat people like me quite differently. From what I’ve learned they respect. And have made them leaders in them visionary’s . And hold them in high regards. I’ve listened to Tedx Talks.
At one point many years ago overcame co dependency. However others have been through so much worse, like being paralyzed from the neck down. I knew of one case in my life.
Phil Borges on Ted Talks gave an excellent talk on what you describe. I listened to it long time ago. I wasn’t of course brought up among indigenous peoples or in the East. My whole life is ruined though now. Can’t go back. What’s done is done. Only today remains. In the now.
Great article. It is interesting that Claude has "feelings." I noticed a year a go when I was trying to list out the top "experts" on gut health it only listed medical doctors and dietitians. I asked for specific well known integrative MD's and naturopathic - they are considered controversial in their approach to medicine. Then I realised when it came to researching natural modalities to illness/disease/and conditions nothing would come up unless I specifically questioned the results. I then realised, anything other allopathic ways including your field will simply not be an option. It is a great way to tighten the manipulation of freedom of choice
There's been a concerted effort for over a decade to disparage and destroy alternative medicine in the West - Wikipedia was taken over by Big Pharma shills years ago. Big Pharma profits off of people not getting well but just having chronic disease in my opinion.
I will only say it was a psychiatric pills that saved my life. Maybe they’re not for everyone but in my experience they did. Medicine may not cure mental illness but in my case made it manageable over time to succeed. Yes alternative ways ought to be included however in my case they saved my life maybe even my soul. I do consider myself a soul not just a bag of chemicals or Bacteria. I do have spiritual problems those remain. Ty for your article
Many people have what used to be called nervous breakdowns, and there are psychiatric medicines, including SSRIs, that can help with that. When the mind is racing and the adrenaline won't stop and stomach is churning and there's a lump in the throat and the muscles are tense and every breath is painful, these drugs work miraculously to break the vicious circle and sedate or calm down the patient. The problem is that patients often don't want to stop taking them, doctors are happy to continue prescribing them, and with continuing use, patients who remain on them often turn into zombies. So in such cases they aren't a cure. But they can be a life-saving intervention, when used for a few months and then slowly tapered off of over a year or two.
Never knew about this. Doctors told me I'd have to be on them for life. In my case, they turned out to be right. Bc my mind would continue to have breakdowns over the years so I Learned to stay on them after that I got ok. It took them years in the VA for them to find the right combinations of meds to straighten me out. I was told if I went 3 days without the meds I was technically mentally ill again whether I realized it or not. That would prove to be true from bitter experience and learning through the hard knocks of life.
It's not that I wanted to stay on them I learned over years of experience that when going off the medications I had repeated breakdowns. 3 in my life time spanning years. Years of self-neglect reduced me physically and mentally. It was a requirement I determined I must stay on them. From March of 1991 to June 2012( I was placed in ALFs at that point) I traded my sex life for sanity and was glad, and happy I did. Otherwise, life would have been intolerable and totally insane.
I also wonder if my sharing of my life here is being spread all over the net on Substact or elsewhere. These are things I've never ever shared online. And I don't want it to go out to the entire world. Your the 1st person outside of my original discussion with one of the writers here to respond to this.
I hope my comment didn't cause you any anxiety. I was speaking in general terms, based on my own observations and experience. I'm not in the habit of spreading gossip about other people online.
But naturally, the best way to keep things from spreading online is not to speak or write about them. And if you feel the urge to talk about things that you don't want to spread, I guess the second best way is to use a pseudonym so that most of the people reading your comments will be unaware of your real identity..
I'm glad you got better but that could have been a placebo effect - in other words, it was actually your mind that got you better, not the pills. Also, if you had been given alternatives such as a combination of herbs, diet, and other support, maybe that would have also saved your life. We're only given one option in the West and all else is pushed aside via the narrative that only the pills can save lives. Except, as in my case, not all of us can even take the pills. So we must have alternatives if just to save those who cannot use drugs.
Placebo affect? Hardly. Repeated breakdowns only proved one thing: stay on your medications or else! Yes the mind helped me to cope by that time after many years of experience it wasn't a placebo affect no more than one needed to take chemotherapy to hopefully cure the cancer.
No, I experienced catatonia, severe psychotic breaks, went off medicine two times in my life, and believed I was “cured “ bc I couldn't tell the difference. It took other people to point out to me what I could not see. One cannot fight what one does not see. It ruined over 30 years of my life and the lives of others like my children and relationships. Wound up in veteran Alf and another alf(assisted living facilities. The only way back to sanity time and time again was to be on medication. I remember when I came back from the abyss. So different it was to be in reality I never knew since I was 8 years old. While I didn't succumb to street drugs or alcohol or crime( I had a belief in God though my ideas about God were shown to me to be untrue. I still believed somehow how some way that I was loved. I was imprisoned within my mind and could not escape or break out of it. People used to say I had “somehow cast a spell” over them and when they broke free of it knew they had been “had “. It mimicked reality and fooled me and everyone else and meds broke me out of all of that. My last mental collapse took place at a Greek orthodox monastery with tragic results for me and others around me. The Abbott and priests were convinced I was demon-possessed. It wasn't true. I got out of the alfa finally bx I became stable enough to learn how I could manage my medications by myself. It was a VA neurologist whose tests I passed(still on those medications) and declared me fit to return to the community of mankind. I’ve not worked since March of 1991 till this very day. If it had not been for SSDI I would have perished. It’s not the only disease I have but I’m ALIVE ! Yes I have learned many ways to cope while mentally ill and I go on coping w my life such as it is. Life through A curve I did not do well. Of course today I’m SO MUCH BETTER! But won’t go off my meds bc I know what has happened to me when I’m not on them through horrible personal experience. It was those experiences that keeps me taking my meds. I gave up sex and chose sanity in its place. Yep that’s a side affect of medications. One that I’m quite happy to do. Much is missing in my life people Family members i once knew. Have two grown children who have become estranged from me and I them. Life has not been kind I deal with the deck I was given in life as best as I know how. Good night. I’ve said enough for now. Loving myself was the hardest thing I ever did. :)
First, I would never tell you to get off your meds in a comment section. But a few things - one, you have an severe case and the issue today is that antidepressants are handed out to people who aren't at risk of suicide but have much milder anxiety or moodiness, when they might deal with those feelings more effectively with non-pharmaceutical methods. And now the AI is stopping any criticism of that.
But for even tough cases such as yours, had you been born in India or China your treatment may have been very different and involved herbs, dietary changes, and other interventions including Panchakarma in Ayurveda or acupuncture in TCM. Here in the West we are given only one option - medication. The problem is, the AI is stifling any discussion of alternatives.
One thing AI cannot be programmed to do is TRUTH.
Synthetic feelings. No thanks
I trust no AI really.
A note on sexual dysphoria: in my case in the 60’s as a child I hated my father so much intensely that I inwardly turned against myself never wanting to be him or “it” as I thought of him. Looking back I had internalized it against myself as well which led to a life of varied sexual interests. I am one of those people who could or could have benefited an arranged marriage. I was wholly incapable of judging for what was in my own best interests!
Or today it would be an arranged marriage.
With having so many of my years gone up in smoke at my age and other health conditions I could never go back to work again. It is what it is is now.
One thing I miss as a side effect of these medications is the limit they have imposed on my imagination. A price I’ve paid for the sake of sanity. Otherwise I would have been dead a long time ago.
Very few want to give credit due to the medications that in the end saved my life.
I suffered from dissociation disorder didn’t come out of it until age 50. That happened bc at 8 years old I witnessed my father beating the hell out of my mother. I retreated within and didn’t emerge until at 50 years old at my step mother’s dying of liver cancer on her hospital bed in Jacksonville Florida. She called it an immaturity disorder which was cruel of her.
I’m curious how Gab AI performs as it seems to be promoted as censorship-free, setting aside whatever one may think of the Christ-centered Gab efforts.
https://gab.ai/
Apologies if you’ve already given it a test drive as I miss tons of posts these days.
“AI is a powerful tool, and when used correctly, it can be a game-changer. With Gab AI, we’re harnessing the power of AI to create a platform that is helpful, intuitive, and personalized. We’re building a tool to amplify and accelerate your God-given intelligence and creativity, not replace it. But we’re not just building a tool, we’re building a community. A community of like-minded individuals who share our values, who share our passion for freedom, and who share our commitment to truth.” Andrew Torba email 4/24/2024
Thanks for the tip, I was unaware of Gab AI and will review it soon.
This sentence may explain some results you are getting.
“Additionally, in recent years, [Wikipedia] has served as training data for artificial intelligence, which then incorporates Wikipedia’s biases into its outputs.”
https://christopherrufo.com/p/katherine-mahers-color-revolution
I wonder: Have any studies been done on how romantic partners/spouses/other family members/close friends/etc. perceive those who GO on SSRIs? My experience has...not been positive. I am reminded of the 1956 film INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS.
A snippet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpNdzSxXw-I
Probably not, but many people do report that antidepressants stifle emotions and numb you out...thus they aren't actually getting to the root of anything and can result in a cardboard personality.
One last note it took the VA from 1991-to June 2012 to get my meds at last figured out. I hung in there till my “miracle” happened in the bottle of pills I received. And spiritual support from a friend or few in my life. I’m alive today bc they were there. I know longer have that spiritual support. The friend I had for 20 years who gave that to me. Finally dropped me as a friend. And this is GOOD NIGHT lol!
As I noted in my other comment, had you been born in an Eastern country you may have been treated with other holistic methods and not needed to wait 10+ years to get pills sorted out - though I'm glad they finally got something to work for you. The key here is choice and options. P.S. Spiritual support is important and I hope you can find new spiritual support, whether it's through a church, spiritual group, new friend, or online community.
Ty
True the indigenous peoples treat people like me quite differently. From what I’ve learned they respect. And have made them leaders in them visionary’s . And hold them in high regards. I’ve listened to Tedx Talks.
At one point many years ago overcame co dependency. However others have been through so much worse, like being paralyzed from the neck down. I knew of one case in my life.
Phil Borges on Ted Talks gave an excellent talk on what you describe. I listened to it long time ago. I wasn’t of course brought up among indigenous peoples or in the East. My whole life is ruined though now. Can’t go back. What’s done is done. Only today remains. In the now.
Great article. It is interesting that Claude has "feelings." I noticed a year a go when I was trying to list out the top "experts" on gut health it only listed medical doctors and dietitians. I asked for specific well known integrative MD's and naturopathic - they are considered controversial in their approach to medicine. Then I realised when it came to researching natural modalities to illness/disease/and conditions nothing would come up unless I specifically questioned the results. I then realised, anything other allopathic ways including your field will simply not be an option. It is a great way to tighten the manipulation of freedom of choice
There's been a concerted effort for over a decade to disparage and destroy alternative medicine in the West - Wikipedia was taken over by Big Pharma shills years ago. Big Pharma profits off of people not getting well but just having chronic disease in my opinion.
and a great opinion indeed!
I will only say it was a psychiatric pills that saved my life. Maybe they’re not for everyone but in my experience they did. Medicine may not cure mental illness but in my case made it manageable over time to succeed. Yes alternative ways ought to be included however in my case they saved my life maybe even my soul. I do consider myself a soul not just a bag of chemicals or Bacteria. I do have spiritual problems those remain. Ty for your article
Many people have what used to be called nervous breakdowns, and there are psychiatric medicines, including SSRIs, that can help with that. When the mind is racing and the adrenaline won't stop and stomach is churning and there's a lump in the throat and the muscles are tense and every breath is painful, these drugs work miraculously to break the vicious circle and sedate or calm down the patient. The problem is that patients often don't want to stop taking them, doctors are happy to continue prescribing them, and with continuing use, patients who remain on them often turn into zombies. So in such cases they aren't a cure. But they can be a life-saving intervention, when used for a few months and then slowly tapered off of over a year or two.
Never knew about this. Doctors told me I'd have to be on them for life. In my case, they turned out to be right. Bc my mind would continue to have breakdowns over the years so I Learned to stay on them after that I got ok. It took them years in the VA for them to find the right combinations of meds to straighten me out. I was told if I went 3 days without the meds I was technically mentally ill again whether I realized it or not. That would prove to be true from bitter experience and learning through the hard knocks of life.
It's not that I wanted to stay on them I learned over years of experience that when going off the medications I had repeated breakdowns. 3 in my life time spanning years. Years of self-neglect reduced me physically and mentally. It was a requirement I determined I must stay on them. From March of 1991 to June 2012( I was placed in ALFs at that point) I traded my sex life for sanity and was glad, and happy I did. Otherwise, life would have been intolerable and totally insane.
I also wonder if my sharing of my life here is being spread all over the net on Substact or elsewhere. These are things I've never ever shared online. And I don't want it to go out to the entire world. Your the 1st person outside of my original discussion with one of the writers here to respond to this.
I hope my comment didn't cause you any anxiety. I was speaking in general terms, based on my own observations and experience. I'm not in the habit of spreading gossip about other people online.
But naturally, the best way to keep things from spreading online is not to speak or write about them. And if you feel the urge to talk about things that you don't want to spread, I guess the second best way is to use a pseudonym so that most of the people reading your comments will be unaware of your real identity..
I'm glad you got better but that could have been a placebo effect - in other words, it was actually your mind that got you better, not the pills. Also, if you had been given alternatives such as a combination of herbs, diet, and other support, maybe that would have also saved your life. We're only given one option in the West and all else is pushed aside via the narrative that only the pills can save lives. Except, as in my case, not all of us can even take the pills. So we must have alternatives if just to save those who cannot use drugs.
Placebo affect? Hardly. Repeated breakdowns only proved one thing: stay on your medications or else! Yes the mind helped me to cope by that time after many years of experience it wasn't a placebo affect no more than one needed to take chemotherapy to hopefully cure the cancer.
No, I experienced catatonia, severe psychotic breaks, went off medicine two times in my life, and believed I was “cured “ bc I couldn't tell the difference. It took other people to point out to me what I could not see. One cannot fight what one does not see. It ruined over 30 years of my life and the lives of others like my children and relationships. Wound up in veteran Alf and another alf(assisted living facilities. The only way back to sanity time and time again was to be on medication. I remember when I came back from the abyss. So different it was to be in reality I never knew since I was 8 years old. While I didn't succumb to street drugs or alcohol or crime( I had a belief in God though my ideas about God were shown to me to be untrue. I still believed somehow how some way that I was loved. I was imprisoned within my mind and could not escape or break out of it. People used to say I had “somehow cast a spell” over them and when they broke free of it knew they had been “had “. It mimicked reality and fooled me and everyone else and meds broke me out of all of that. My last mental collapse took place at a Greek orthodox monastery with tragic results for me and others around me. The Abbott and priests were convinced I was demon-possessed. It wasn't true. I got out of the alfa finally bx I became stable enough to learn how I could manage my medications by myself. It was a VA neurologist whose tests I passed(still on those medications) and declared me fit to return to the community of mankind. I’ve not worked since March of 1991 till this very day. If it had not been for SSDI I would have perished. It’s not the only disease I have but I’m ALIVE ! Yes I have learned many ways to cope while mentally ill and I go on coping w my life such as it is. Life through A curve I did not do well. Of course today I’m SO MUCH BETTER! But won’t go off my meds bc I know what has happened to me when I’m not on them through horrible personal experience. It was those experiences that keeps me taking my meds. I gave up sex and chose sanity in its place. Yep that’s a side affect of medications. One that I’m quite happy to do. Much is missing in my life people Family members i once knew. Have two grown children who have become estranged from me and I them. Life has not been kind I deal with the deck I was given in life as best as I know how. Good night. I’ve said enough for now. Loving myself was the hardest thing I ever did. :)
First, I would never tell you to get off your meds in a comment section. But a few things - one, you have an severe case and the issue today is that antidepressants are handed out to people who aren't at risk of suicide but have much milder anxiety or moodiness, when they might deal with those feelings more effectively with non-pharmaceutical methods. And now the AI is stopping any criticism of that.
But for even tough cases such as yours, had you been born in India or China your treatment may have been very different and involved herbs, dietary changes, and other interventions including Panchakarma in Ayurveda or acupuncture in TCM. Here in the West we are given only one option - medication. The problem is, the AI is stifling any discussion of alternatives.